What else must change to prevent a theocratic America?
Published on November 28, 2004 By messybuu In Current Events

Phrases such as "In God We Trust" and "Under God" don't bother most of us, but that's because most of us are ignorant bumpkins who want to turn the nation into a theocracy. That's why I shall look through the eyes of an enlightened one to understand why the United States of America needs to change from its theocratic ways.

In the Mind of an Enlightened One

We're not unreasonable because we demand that all religious symbols be removed from the government. No, we're only unreasonable because we're not serious about it. Sure, we complain about blatant symbols in government, such as "In God We Trust" on our money, but we completely ignore the other religious symbols our government embraces. Why? Perhaps we're too stupid to understand the connotative or perhaps we're just looking for something to bitch about. Either way, there's much more the government must change besides "In God We Trust" before it can be an establishment free of religious influence.

  1. Besides "In God We Trust" on American money, there is also a Latin phrase that mentions God and a picture of the All-Seeing Eye, which represents the "Great Architect of the Universe," who is obviously God. Everytime I read the Latin and see the All-Seeing Eye, I get totally pissed off! |
  2. The Declaration of Independence mentions "the Creator," who is also obviously God! If I could, I'd burn that fucking document, because it pisses me off so much!  |
  3. Christmas, Hanukkah, and Ramadan are all religious holidays. Even the Winter Solstice itself is celebrated religiously by some Pagans. However, that hasn't stopped the government from celebrating the season! The government has no right celebrating such holidays! The fact that governmental employees do not have to work during Christmas pisses me off so much! |
  4. Sunday is a day many governmental employees have off, because it is seen as a day of rest. However, Christianity's influence on this view of Sunday is blatantly obviously. By honoring Sunday as some special day of the week, our government shows the world that we're the religious nutcases they see us as, and it pisses them off that such a blatant theocracy is the most powerful nation in the world! |

There are many other acts of government raping the separation between church and state, but much more research (and funding) is required. However, it's already clear that if we are serious about maintaining the separation between church and state, then we must demand more besides removing "In God We Trust" from money. The fact that we don't pisses me off so much! |


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on Nov 30, 2004


Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 30, 2004

There are many other acts of government raping the separation between church and state, but much more research (and funding) is required.


it doesnt take much more research than a simple google search to confirm the original national motto is e pluribus unum (altho latin and invoked by none other than the fake wizard of oz, is hardly religious). the use of 'in god we trust' is a consequence of the 2nd grand awakening (when the words first appeared on coins) as ordered by then-treasurer salmon p. chase.   the adoption of the phrase dates allllllllllll the way back to 1956 (as with the pledge, a knee-jerk reaction to the rabid anti-communism of that time). 


any true conservative who properly understands the separation of church and state (or, who agrees with theodore roosevelt's opinion that use of the motto on coins insults god) could be forgiven for being pissed off soooo much by your silliness, implied sense of moral superiority and deplorable lack of historical knowledge 

on Nov 30, 2004

it doesnt take much more research than a simple google search to confirm the original national motto is e pluribus unum (altho latin and invoked by none other than the fake wizard of oz, is hardly religious). the use of 'in god we trust' is a consequence of the 2nd grand awakening (when the words first appeared on coins) as ordered by then-treasurer salmon p. chase. the adoption of the phrase dates allllllllllll the way back to 1956 (as with the pledge, a knee-jerk reaction to the rabid anti-communism of that time).


You forgot "Annuit Cœptis," which either means "Providence favors our undertaking," "God favors our undertaking," or "He (God) has favored our undertaking." Either way, it refers to God, and that pisses me off!


As for the All-Seeing Eye, it's possible that it doesn't refer to God, but to the Illuminati, which is responsible for the murder of both Martin Luther King, Jr. and Marilyn Monroe.

on Dec 02, 2004
I'm beginnin' ta think you gots you some smarts, there, messy.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Dec 02, 2004

Annuit Cœptis


is more accurately translated as 'he/she/it sees our effort/venture/enterprise' i believe (altho ill admit to having barely passed my second year of latin. not being privy to the mysteries of the masonic order, i have no idea whether the eye is supposed to be the eye of god or the grand master or the universe (altho i suspect the last is correct).  so you can stop being pissed off about that.   


you missed the other latin motto...the one that translates as a 'new order of the world' (novus ordo mundi) which is also masonic via virgil i believe and alludes to a mating of saturn with a virgin that resulted in the birth of a wonderchild.  virgil was a big bucket of gay which may or may not disqualify his pre-christian prophet credentials  


the murder of both Martin Luther King, Jr. and Marilyn Monroe.


carlos marcello was a member of la cosa nostra not the illuminati.  last i heard marilyn monroe was alive and working as a waitress in alaska (i happened to be in judge takasugi's courtroom on the day--almost 20 years ago exactly--larry flynt revealed that in sworn tesitmony.)  

on Dec 03, 2004

is more accurately translated as 'he/she/it sees our effort/venture/enterprise' i believe (altho ill admit to having barely passed my second year of latin. not being privy to the mysteries of the masonic order, i have no idea whether the eye is supposed to be the eye of god or the grand master or the universe (altho i suspect the last is correct). so you can stop being pissed off about that.


Who is "He/She/It?" Franklin? Ms. Franklin? Franklin's pet? Or perhaps God? If "Providence has favored our undertakings" isn't an accurate translation, and yours is, it still doesn't change the fact that it probably implies God, but if "He" when referring to God is all right, then would it be a good compromise to change "In God We Trust" to "In Him We Trust" and if that's not enough, change it to Latin too? Same with the Ten Commandments in front of a public building?


As for the All-Seeing Eye, most references point it to the Great Architect of the Universe, who most likely refers to God (unless somebody has a decent argument that suggests that it means somebody else like Ben Franklin).


Even if the founding fathers weren't Christian, they sure had no qualms about placing religious ideas onto the American dollar. Didn't Jefferson even have his own version of the Bible?

on Dec 03, 2004

Even if the founding fathers weren't Christian, they sure had no qualms about placing religious ideas onto the American dollar.

noooo they had no qualms about placing masonic symbols and mottoes onto the american dollar.  until we can get a mason to reveal the secrets of the order, it's as reasonable to put a full-on humanist spin on the whole thing.  specially when you toss in that new order of the world thing you keep conveniently forgetting. (i truly am not intending to be insulting but the only religious aspect that comes to mind when i think of the masons is them making sport of muslims by wearing fezes and naming their clubhouses 'shrines')

on Dec 03, 2004
So, what you're saying is, if it comes from Masonry, it's all right to put symbols of God and words that speak of him onto the dollar (or have you found out what Providence/He and the "Great Architect of the Universe" really mean if not God)?
on Dec 04, 2004

So, what you're saying is, if it comes from Masonry, it's all right to put symbols of God and words that speak of him onto the dollar (or have you found out what Providence/He and the "Great Architect of the Universe" really mean if not God)?

i dunno how you figure im saying the masons have anything at all to do with god. 

a picture of a pyramid with an eye symbolizes god about as well as a magic 8ball or a blowup sexdoll or a jackolantern.

despite the confusion resulting from my rather ambiguous translation of annuit coeptis neither of those two words means anything close to "providence"  annuo : to nod, consent, give assent to / approve, favor.
annuo : to allow, grant, promise / designate  (the verb ending 'uit' = 3rd person perfect active....thus he is allowing, granting ect.); coeptis: coepto : to begin, undertake (the verb ending 'is' is common to just about all voices, conjugations, persons etc...thus 'is beginning or undertaking)

on Dec 04, 2004

Most sources I find insist that the All-Seeing Eye refers to the "Great Architect of the Universe," which means God. Sure, it could symbolize something else, just as "God" in "In God We Trust" could mean something other than God. Perhaps it means some average joe whose name happens to be God.


Again, some translations translate it to mean Providence, and even if your translation is more accurate, it doesn't change the meaning of who He/She/It is, unless somebody can tell me who "He/She/It" is (as well as who the All-Seeing Eye represents because I'm sure it wasn't placed there on a whim).

on Dec 04, 2004

I'm sure it wasn't placed there on a whim


but what if the masons are really in league with the devil or the antichrist?  


and what about that other motto? novus ordo mundi?  the one you keep sidestepping?  where exactly does that fit into your theory? 


just to be clear, in god we trust is pretty much selfexplanatory.  it doesnt belong on money but thats not the fault of the founders.  that other mysterious mumbojumbo and eyeballing pyramids may hold a message but its not like it needed to be encoded or obfuscated--youre talking about guys like john hancock who made a point of signing the declaration of independences very boldly so george lll could read it easily.   so why did they suddenly get all shy n shit in this instance? 

on Dec 04, 2004

some translations translate it to mean Providence


find any latin-english dictionary and look up the words separately. (just in case you think its some kinda trick, try doing the same with tempus fugit or cave canem or in hoc signo vincit )  i doubt youll find any mention of providence.

on Dec 04, 2004

Great Architect of the Universe," which means God


i always thought it meant frank lloyd wright or louis sullivan...maybe some of the bahaus gang....or davinci.

on Dec 04, 2004

find any latin-english dictionary and look up the words separately. (just in case you think its some kinda trick, try doing the same with tempus fugit or cave canem or in hoc signo vincit ) i doubt youll find any mention of providence.
but what if the masons are really in league with the devil or the antichrist?


That would still be religious.


and what about that other motto? novus ordo mundi? the one you keep sidestepping? where exactly does that fit into your theory?


I don't think it's all meant to be religious. Just Annuit Coeptis. Pardon for not being clearer.


find any latin-english dictionary and look up the words separately. (just in case you think its some kinda trick, try doing the same with tempus fugit or cave canem or in hoc signo vincit ) i doubt youll find any mention of providence.


Even so, it still doesn't explain who "He/She/It" is, if not God.


just to be clear, in god we trust is pretty much selfexplanatory. it doesnt belong on money but thats not the fault of the founders. that other mysterious mumbojumbo and eyeballing pyramids may hold a message but its not like it needed to be encoded or obfuscated--youre talking about guys like john hancock who made a point of signing the declaration of independences very boldly so george lll could read it easily. so why did they suddenly get all shy n shit in this instance?


"In God We Trust" isn't the fault of the founders, but the rest is. Sure, one could interpret it as to mean something other than God, but we could also do that with "In God We Trust" if we changed it to "In Him We Trust." Then we could also claim it refers to Da Vinci. Would that be an adequate compromise? If not, what if we changed it to Latin?

on Dec 04, 2004

we could also do that with "In God We Trust" if we changed it to "In Him We Trust." Then we could also claim it refers to Da Vinci. Would that be an adequate compromise? If not, what if we changed it to Latin?


like all stalwart american conservatives, i'm of the opinion that it it aint in the constitution or it wasnt enacted by the founders, it aint necessary. as i pointed out elsewhere, if the founders had intended our currency to bear a motto other than the one they approved--e pluribus unum--they woulda spelled that out.  i dont imagine they chose not to in hopes that someday 80 years in the future, one salmon p. chase--having managed to somehow weasle his way into being named secretary of the treasury--would be inspired by a cornball letter from some minister to complete their masterwork whether he was authorized to do so or not.   nor does it seem likely to me they woulda hoped for lightning to strike twice causing the 1956 congress--so eager to prove to each other they werent soft on godless communism--to act in unison and make the second motto they (the founders) somehow overlooked as official as the one they remembered.


but whatta i know?  they mighta been in a trance after one of their masonic orgies.

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