Separating Church and State

What else must change to prevent a theocratic America?

Published on November 28, 2004 By messybuu In Current Events

Phrases such as "In God We Trust" and "Under God" don't bother most of us, but that's because most of us are ignorant bumpkins who want to turn the nation into a theocracy. That's why I shall look through the eyes of an enlightened one to understand why the United States of America needs to change from its theocratic ways.

In the Mind of an Enlightened One

We're not unreasonable because we demand that all religious symbols be removed from the government. No, we're only unreasonable because we're not serious about it. Sure, we complain about blatant symbols in government, such as "In God We Trust" on our money, but we completely ignore the other religious symbols our government embraces. Why? Perhaps we're too stupid to understand the connotative or perhaps we're just looking for something to bitch about. Either way, there's much more the government must change besides "In God We Trust" before it can be an establishment free of religious influence.

Besides "In God We Trust" on American money, there is also a Latin phrase that mentions God and a picture of the All-Seeing Eye, which represents the "Great Architect of the Universe," who is obviously God. Everytime I read the Latin and see the All-Seeing Eye, I get totally pissed off! |
The Declaration of Independence mentions "the Creator," who is also obviously God! If I could, I'd burn that fucking document, because it pisses me off so much! |
Christmas, Hanukkah, and Ramadan are all religious holidays. Even the Winter Solstice itself is celebrated religiously by some Pagans. However, that hasn't stopped the government from celebrating the season! The government has no right celebrating such holidays! The fact that governmental employees do not have to work during Christmas pisses me off so much! |
Sunday is a day many governmental employees have off, because it is seen as a day of rest. However, Christianity's influence on this view of Sunday is blatantly obviously. By honoring Sunday as some special day of the week, our government shows the world that we're the religious nutcases they see us as, and it pisses them off that such a blatant theocracy is the most powerful nation in the world! |

There are many other acts of government raping the separation between church and state, but much more research (and funding) is required. However, it's already clear that if we are serious about maintaining the separation between church and state, then we must demand more besides removing "In God We Trust" from money. The fact that we don't pisses me off so much! |

Comments (Page 2)

messybuu

on Dec 04, 2004

as i pointed out elsewhere, if the founders had intended our currency to bear a motto other than the one they approved--e pluribus unum--they woulda spelled that out.

When was the All-Seeing Eye and "Annuit Coeptis" added?

kingbee

on Dec 04, 2004

When was the All-Seeing Eye and "Annuit Coeptis" added

the washington monument is, as you know, an obelisk. it is built in accordance with 2nd degree masonic numerology (there are important manifestations of the number 5 in its dimensions). it was purposely designed that way to symbolize george washington's success in designing and implementing a new order of the ages. annuit coeptis and the eye at the pyramidized top of the monument can just as easily been seen as a similar tribute to ol george.

messybuu

on Dec 04, 2004

I keep finding sources that suggest that the All-Seeing Eye , such as this one and this one, but in fact refers to a deity. Also, from the first link: "Is the eye and pyramid a masonic symbol? No. Of the four men involved in designing the USA seal in 1776, only Benjamin Franklin was a freemason, and he contributed nothing of a masonic nature to the committee's proposed design for a seal."
Sure, it's possible that it actually does refer to George Washington, despite the absence of claim from the resources I've found, but it's also possible that despite what the majority of sources claim, God in "In God We Trust" is actually just somebody whose first name is God. Perhaps it's a masonic phrase that refers to George Washington too. Therefore, it should not be removed, just like Annuit Coeptis and the All-Seeing Eye should not be removed from the one-dollar bill since it's possible that they refer to something other than God.

Molly0597

on Dec 04, 2004

I'll admit that I tend to be a fence-sitter on this issue, mostly because I don't particularly care either way. I think this is also the feeling of the general public, but that's probably jsut because most people are Christian.

Anyway, while I don't really care whether or not the phrases are removed, I can definitely see some of the influences Christianity and religion have on the government and how this can be really frustrating to non-Christians (well, some of them. I'm also not Christian).

While the government doesn't in anyway force religion on others, it definitely advocates some form of religion, most likely Christianity, which is offensive to people who are Buddhist or atheistic or Wicken or anything else. The way I see it, its sort of like a public school teaching about only one religion or telling students to trust in God or writing this phrase on all of the school textbooks. That would never be allowed, so why is it allowed to be printed on the federal dollar?

The reason I'm a fence sitter is because I don't think it's currently much of an issue now, but I think it has to potential to be, and then I may have to support removing certain phrases from the pledge and the dollar.

However, I think that there are some things that would never get changed, like the "non-denominational winter break" and Sunday is a day off. People need some sort of a break, and whether we like it or not, many people are Christian and would like to be home for Christmas and on Sundays. Luckily for Jewish people, Saturday is part of the weekend too.

kingbee

on Dec 04, 2004

when ya ask tony soprano about la mafia or la cosa nostra, you think he admits to it. the masons are a secret society. why should they be any more forthcoming?

messybuu

on Dec 04, 2004

And that's why "In God We Trust" is not a violation of the separation of church and state. Although the official word is that it refers to God, just like with the All-Seeing Eye, the secret masonic meaning might refer to George Washington or some other mason.

kingbee

on Dec 04, 2004

and that's why organized crime isnt really crime. although attornies general assert that it's illegal to engage in racketeering, the bonannos, gambinos, etc. are just a buncha clubmembers who enjoy secretly doing favors for each other.

sunwukong

on Dec 04, 2004

Interesting article and great followups!

Here be the Wikipedia article on Freemasonry (Link) where the Landmarks section might be of interest (Link).

Personally, I prefer Monty Python's take on Freemasons ...

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