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Pro-Choice or Pro-Abortion?
Do you really support the right of women to choose what to do with their own bodies?
Published on April 4, 2004 By messybuu In Politics

When one speaks of abortion, the common argument from pro-choicers is that since the fetus is inside a woman's body, only she should decide whether or not she wants to keep it. After all, it would be wrong for us to tell a woman what to do with her own body. However, are pro-choicers really pro-choice or just pro-abortion? Find out if you're really pro-choice or willing to take away a woman's choice with this fancy quiz I designed!

Pro-Choice or Pro-Abortion?
Simply decide whether or not you agree with the following statements.

1. Women should have the right to have abortions if they so desire.
2. Women should have the right to have their brother's or father's child.
3. Women should have the right to genetically engineer the fetus inside them to their liking.
4. Women should have the right to take as many drugs as they desire while they are pregnant.
5. Women should have the right to stab the area in which the womb resides while they are pregnant. IGNORE THIS STATEMENT
6. Women should have the right to have an abortion performed by a shady unlicensed abortionist.
7. Women should have the right to drive an ice pick through the head of a fetus from her body.

Wasn't that easy? If you agreed with every statement, then congratulations! You do honestly believe that women should have sole control over their bodies, and for that, you earn my respect. However, if you disagreed with any statement, then you are a hypocrite that would happily steal a woman's right over her own body to promote your own agenda.


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31
JeremyG
on Apr 08, 2004

I am pro-choice and anti-abortion, thank you.


 

32
KarmaGirl
on Apr 08, 2004

Reply #20 By: jeblackstar - 4/5/2004 2:04:08 PM
Now, hold on, some pro-choicers are pro-life, they just feel a woman has the right to choose

I am pro-choice.  But, I personally could never have an abortion.  But, I do not feel that it is my right to decide what other people do.  I also know a few children that were born with such horrible birth defects that they wish that they weren't born.  I also have a couple relatives/friends who either had an abortion and it was the right thing for them, or had the child and have regretted it ever since.  It's easy for people to say that the woman can just carry the baby to full term then put it up for adoption.  Those people have most likely never given birth if they think that.  And, I also hear pro-lifers say that cases of rape, chance of mother dying, or a child with a severe birth defect are reasons why it is "OK" to end the pregnancy.  Once you say it is OK at any point, it becomes pro-choice.  If you believe that abortion is murder, then it is never OK.  Pro-choice allows for choice.  It isn't pro-abortion- it just leaves the option available.

33
psychx
on Apr 08, 2004
What about them? They are unfortunate things that happen. But should the child that results from these crimes be put to death? Is that democratic? Of course not.


What about the child being subjected to years of psychological trauma due to the environment they are born in. Although these situations are not as common (thankfully) Not giving women to right to chose opens up those loopholes.

No I have not had to deal directly with abortion. But I have never dealt directly with murder, theft or torture either. Does that make my opinion about them invalid? As for only God judging, are you suggesting that we do not have laws, courts and prisons?


I am suggesting that you, as a person never having dealt with the choice, should not condemn people for making a decision that they lawfully can make at the present moment. It's fine that you put your two cents in, in fact it is welcome, but I am merely giving you some insight on how we are no one to say that it is pathetic for one individual to choose what is legally their right, especially when we do not know all the things that go with making that decision. As for God judging people that was a direct reply to you calling them pathetic just because their legal right does not reflect your ideals.
34
Crash30920
on Apr 08, 2004
psychx religious dogma says that actions can be judged and people can only be judged by God so that argument is wrong. I am a pro-choice, pro death penalty, pro Euthanasia, and I am for more death sentences. I don't consider a sack of cells a child until it would be able to survive outside the womb on its own so like in the mid 20s of weeks. I might be very callus but I do not see much value in certain human beings. If a child is born premature and millions are spent on that child and they still have mental defects that kid was not worth the cost. On that same note if a drug dealer or the like is killed I would say that is a public service and not to spend the tax payers money on a investigation.
35
psychx
on Apr 08, 2004
I am sorry but I don't know whether you are arguing my point or smitty's point I originally said that only God can judge people you are pretty much saying the same thing? So what basis do you think we can judge their actions on, a legal basis? or like smitty on a personal basis? You are as confusing as you are detached.
36
jeblackstar
on Apr 08, 2004
What about them? They are unfortunate things that happen. But should the child that results from these crimes be put to death? Is that democratic? Of course not.


And should the mother, who is a victim in these cases, be "punished" for being raped by having to care for the child? The mother didn't choose to get pregnant from her attacker, but now she has to support this reminder of the crime perpetrated against her. That doesn't sound very democratic either.

Cheers
37
vernmeister2u
on Apr 09, 2004
To expound on my reply #35, you know why this particular issue is so pointless to discuss? Because everyone seems to forget the ground that was covered the last time it came up.

For instance, Jeb, I know you to be reasonable intelligent and probably have a good memory. But in reply #36 you say:

And should the mother, who is a victim in these cases, be "punished" for being raped by having to care for the child?


So hence, you have to be reminded AGAIN that ADOPTION is also an option in that instance. You don't mention that because it doesn't serve your side.

And psychx in reply #19:

What about rape and incest?


In the last discussion on here about this (at least that I participated in) I pointed out statistically just how FEW times these are the cases, and how it's more overwhelmingly for reasons of the woman's convenience that abortions take place. People may have questioned the statistics, but they offered nothing to refute them either. I may be wrong, but I thought you were involved in that discussion as well. Clearly no rule can be one size fits all, and there would have to be exceptions, BUT THATS WHAT IT WOULD BE, EXCEPTIONS, not just choice because of convenience being the RULE.

I do have to have to say that crash's response equating human life to monetary value is a new one. I guess all men weren't created equal, some have greater monetary value than others.
And on the other side, the side I'm on against abortion, you guys forget that not everyone is going to base the right or wrong of abortion on religious reasons. WE DONT ALL SHARE THE SAME RELIGIOUS BELIEFS. You have to come up with common ground if you are going to convince anyone about your side of the argument.

I've stated my reasoning so many times, I'm not going to waste my breath. Come on folks, how about some new ground here instead of the same old song and dance.

VES
38
jeblackstar
on Apr 09, 2004
Birth is not a fool proof option. It's possible for a mother to die even in a healthy baby. It's also possible for the child to die. Perhaps if a man were capable of going through labor he would, in general, be less likely to say no choice.

Cheers
39
vernmeister2u
on Apr 09, 2004
Birth is not a fool proof option. It's possible for a mother to die even in a healthy baby. It's also possible for the child to die. Perhaps if a man were capable of going through labor he would, in general, be less likely to say no choice.


Which changes nothing I said.
40
jeblackstar
on Apr 09, 2004
Actually, yes it does, you say that abortion magically solves all the problems of being raped, and it doesn't, the mother is still punished for being raped by having to go through the physical changes and dangers that go with pregnancy.

Cheers
41
psychx
on Apr 09, 2004
Ok I will make it simpler vern since WE DONT ALL SHARE THE SAME RELIGIOUS BELIEFS than why should one belief try and impose its ideals on another? Even if your ideals have no religious basis, you shouldn't impose them on anyone else either. That includes all ideologies regardless of what they are. You believe it is murder, others do not, why is your way of looking at it better? The tone of your post is somewhat condescending which kind of tells me you feel that your point of view holds more weight than anyone elses here which is simply not true when it comes to a subject that simply is not black and white.
42
Akrym
on Apr 09, 2004
This is always a hard one to discuss but the important ones always are. I have a rather mixed view here in that I would rather that women stop haveing sex if they don't want to get pregnent. No sex will equal no need for an aboration. I also am not willing to tell women what to do with there bodies and no matter how much I personely don't want women to get an aboration I honestly could never take away their right to get one.
43
vernmeister2u
on Apr 09, 2004
Actually, yes it does, you say that abortion magically solves all the problems of being raped, and it doesn't, the mother is still punished for being raped by having to go through the physical changes and dangers that go with pregnancy.


I didn't say it magically did anything. I said it was another option that you left out. Your only cure was abortion. And for that matter abortion isn't a "fool proof" solution either. The mother could die during the abortion procedure or she could become so depressed after the abortion that she could kill herself. So again I say, that changes nothing I said. No new ground covered.

VES
44
vernmeister2u
on Apr 09, 2004
Ok I will make it simpler vern since WE DONT ALL SHARE THE SAME RELIGIOUS BELIEFS than why should one belief try and impose its ideals on another? Even if your ideals have no religious basis, you shouldn't impose them on anyone else either. That includes all ideologies regardless of what they are. You believe it is murder, others do not, why is your way of looking at it better? The tone of your post is somewhat condescending which kind of tells me you feel that your point of view holds more weight than anyone elses here which is simply not true when it comes to a subject that simply is not black and white.


Of course I feel my point of view holds more weight. Why would I believe something if I didn't believe it was the right point of view. Kind of stupid not to. If you believe something that you think is wrong, let me know what it is. But like anything, idealogies are spread out and often "imposed" because we have to vote on rules that govern our behavior in society. But while we don't share the same religious views, we may all share other virtues or values that allows us to seek common ground in "spreading" our ideologies. The point I was making there is that if people from my side want to convince others of the wrongness (for lack of a better word) of abortion, the presumption that religion will accomplish that as a means is ineffective.

What makes my view "better" is that I choose to speak up for the rights of those who can not speak for themselves. Those that get thrown away out of convenience. And yes, I already know that you don't agree with that point of view. Unborn human babies are a sack of cells to you, just tissue.

However, the point of me post was not to reintroduce my point of view in the argument. I've already done that with what I believe to be compelling enough evidence. However, if it wasn't compelling enough the first 10 times, I doubt seriously it will make much difference the 11th time. Therefore, NO NEW GROUND IS BEING COVERED. My point was that BOTH sides, MINE and YOURS cover the same ground EVERY time it comes up. And EACH side has to point out the same ABC points it already made the last time like we all forget the arguments at the conclusion of each discussion. Each thread on this is as redundant as the last. That is the "condescending" point I'm making.

VES
45
shadesofgrey
on Apr 09, 2004
VES:

While I agree that what is being said here has been rehashed a number of times, I have to wholeheartedly disagree that it is therefore "pointless to discuss." The point is that the more the issues get rehashed, the more likely it is that someone will leave their mantra behind and finally *see* the other person's point of view. I'm not saying they have to agree with it. Understanding what the other person is saying is not the same as conceding that they are right.

Understanding includes the use of non-inflamatory terms when discussing the issue. In other words, saying
Unborn human babies are a sack of cells to you, just tissue.
does nothing more than create a hostile environment. If you looked at the issue rationally, you might say, pro-lifers believe that the fetus is an unborn child while pro-choicers believe that the fetus is simply a grouping of cells.

Yes, it's an emotional debate. And the point of the debate is to try to convert others to your side, but you'll never convert anyone if you are simply spewing venom.
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