Are fake breasts destiny?
Published on February 19, 2005 By messybuu In Current Events

If there’s one thing that pisses me off about today’s prominent homosexuality advocacy groups, it’s their advocacy of transsexuality. What the fuck? Since when is homosexuality, which is often argued by homosexual advocates not to be a choice, on the same level as transsexuality, which is arguably a choice as nobody has ever been a transsexual naturally? Are the leaders of these groups mentally retarded?

“But, they felt like the opposite sex all their lives, so you have no right to judge them for the surgery they had!” Fair enough. But, if the people who accept such an argument are consistent, then there is another group of people that deserves representation and tolerance: the plastics.

Who are the plastics? They are the people who have underwent cosmetic surgery. Whether it was modest (i.e. breast implants) or extreme (i.e. Michael Jackson), these people had plastic surgery for the same reason as transsexuals have surgery to change their gender: to fix God’s mistakes.

That is why it should be considered a hate crime to speak ill of those who have had cosmetic surgery to be more comfortable with themselves. Unless these homosexual advocacy groups and their supporters are fucking hypocrites, they will realize that nobody has a right to judge a woman with Botox in their face and fake G-cup breasts. Just like the transsexual, the woman only wanted a body that matched her mind, and if you don't believe that people feel anguish over their imperfections as transsexuals feel over their original gender, than you haven't seen The Swan!

Comments
on Feb 19, 2005
'homosexuality, which is often argued by homosexual advocates not to be a choice'
But the opposite is often argued too.

'transsexuality, which is arguably a choice'
Ditto.

'nobody has ever been a transsexual?'
What exactly do you mean by this? Many people have been transexuals. If you mean that surgery to change gender is not a naturally occuring phenomenon, you're right. But so what? Neither is having hot water blasted into your ears to shift wax.

The comparison with those who have had plastic surgery is doubtless intended to be satirical. (Hence the explanatory first paragraph, one presumes.) It is an extremely poor comparison though. In a society increasingly preoccupied with appearance, the reaction to those who have had plastic surgery is overwhelmingly positive. Neither 'representation' nor 'tolerance' are at issue here. When did you last witness anybody being discriminated against for being 'enhanced' by plastic surgery?

Which leaves us with what? I think your language gives it away: 'pisses me off' ... 'What the fuck?' ... 'Are the leaders of these groups mentally retarded?' ... 'Unless these homosexual advocacy groups and their supporters are fucking hypocrites' ... The obvious anger here suggests to me that you have a personal dislike for homosexuals and / or transexuals, and that's all.
on Feb 19, 2005
What exactly do you mean by this? Many people have been transexuals. If you mean that surgery to change gender is not a naturally occuring phenomenon, you're right.


That is what I meant. I edited the mistake.

Neither is having hot water blasted into your ears to shift wax.


Yes, but I doubt anybody would have a negative thing to say about hygiene, as unlike cosmetic surgery, it's pretty important. Bad hygiene is pretty detrimental to one's life.

The comparison with those who have had plastic surgery is doubtless intended to be satirical. (Hence the explanatory first paragraph, one presumes.) It is an extremely poor comparison though. In a society increasingly preoccupied with appearance, the reaction to those who have had plastic surgery is overwhelmingly positive. Neither 'representation' nor 'tolerance' are at issue here. When did you last witness anybody being discriminated against for being 'enhanced' by plastic surgery?


You'd be surprised. There are actually people out there who criticize people for having cosmetic surgery. Surely you've heard of people make hate jokes about Michael Jackson and his nose jobs! Surely you've heard women hatefully criticize women who have breast implants. It happens.

The obvious anger here suggests to me that you have a personal dislike for homosexuals and / or transexuals, and that's all.


No, I have a personal dislike for hypocrisy, in this case people thinking that cosmetic surgery is vain and unnecessary yet gender reassignment isn't, and that's all.
on Feb 20, 2005
Joey, come back to #jism on irc.slashnet.org! We miss your ass badly, man. Please. Come back. I mean it.

--Your pal.
on Feb 20, 2005
He's not your pal. He's a snake! A snake, I tells ya!
on Feb 20, 2005
Wow! How'd you guys find me?
I'd like to return, but I'd have to install an IRC program on my iBook (my only computer now) since Java suxx0rz with typical open source quality, and as you know, I want to keep my iBook as pristine, virgin, and free of nerd virgin applications (i.e. IRC apps, file-sharing apps, and anything covered by the GPL) as I can, even if it means not using applications purchased, such as Konfabulator (as the black stripper said, I bleed money)...
But I guess I'll make an exception.
on Feb 20, 2005
'There are actually people out there who criticize people for having cosmetic surgery. Surely you've heard of people make hate jokes about Michael Jackson and his nose jobs! Surely you've heard women hatefully criticize women who have breast implants. It happens.'

Michael Jackson? Oh yeah, the incredibly successful pop star. Women who have had breast implants? Oh yeah, like half of Hollywood's female A-list. There's a big difference between being criticised and being discriminated against. To many of those who elect to undergo plastic surgery, it is either an attempt to step up the ladder of success or a public declaration of such success once achieved. Now, you may not like their motives - indeed, we might very well find ourselves in agreement on this point. However, if you are going to dismiss them all as 'vain and unnecessary', you might wish to analyse such other investments as acting / dancing classes, dyeing one's hair, power dressing etc. in the same critical light.

What about other 'modest' plastic surgery techniques, such as disguising a hairlip or a birthmark, or pinning back sticking out ears? Is this this kind of surgery 'vain and unnecessary' too, and if not, why not? In our appearance-obsessed society, people born with these purely visual 'anomalies' are infinitely more likely to receive a hard time than anyone who gets breast implants. Where do you draw the line? Do you have the faintest idea how such people feel about their circumstances? You appear to think you know how transexuals feel about theirs - otherwise, how would you be able to claim that gender reassignment surgery is 'vain and unnecessary'?

As I alluded to before, this just demonstrates to me that you appear to have a personal problem with transexuals - unless, presumably, they refuse to undergo the very surgery that has arisen to enable them to address the condition.
on Feb 20, 2005
Michael Jackson? Oh yeah, the incredibly successful pop star. Women who have had breast implants? Oh yeah, like half of Hollywood's female A-list. There's a big difference between being criticised and being discriminated against.


So, it's all right to belittle transsexuals as people belittle Michael Jackson?

However, if you are going to dismiss them all as 'vain and unnecessary', you might wish to analyse such other investments as acting / dancing classes, dyeing one's hair, power dressing etc. in the same critical light.


Well, dying one's hair is vain and unnecessary, but I don't see how you can compare any of these things to such drastic surgery. Might as well add using deodorant to there.

What about other 'modest' plastic surgery techniques, such as disguising a hairlip or a birthmark, or pinning back sticking out ears? Is this this kind of surgery 'vain and unnecessary' too, and if not, why not? In our appearance-obsessed society, people born with these purely visual 'anomalies' are infinitely more likely to receive a hard time than anyone who gets breast implants. Where do you draw the line? Do you have the faintest idea how such people feel about their circumstances? You appear to think you know how transexuals feel about theirs - otherwise, how would you be able to claim that gender reassignment surgery is 'vain and unnecessary'?


So, because some people will receive a harder time, that means it's all right if people with breast implants receive a hard time for their surgery?

As I alluded to before, this just demonstrates to me that you appear to have a personal problem with transexuals - unless, presumably, they refuse to undergo the very surgery that has arisen to enable them to address the condition.


And you seem to justify hate speech against people just because they're not hated as much as others.
on Feb 21, 2005
'So, it's all right to belittle transsexuals as people belittle Michael Jackson?'
MJ is an individual. We each judge him as we find him. However, to speak ill of ALL transexuals for no reason other than merely belonging to that group ... well, we all know what that is.

'Well, dying one's hair is vain and unnecessary, but I don't see how you can compare any of these things to such drastic surgery. Might as well add using deodorant to there.'
The last point is spot on! Why NOT compare these things? That's exactly what you SHOULD do. And while we're at it, what about getting a haircut? Wearing makeup? Shaving? Putting on aftershave? Whitening one's teeth? Wearing jewellery? The list is practically endless. As I asked you before, where do you draw the line? But more importantly, WHY?

'And you seem to justify hate speech against people just because they're not hated as much as others.'
Where on earth does this come from? I don't hate anybody. I just think you have an obvious problem with transexuals, whether you care to acknowledge it or not. If you actually tried talking to a few, you might just find yourself surprised.
on Feb 21, 2005
MJ is an individual. We each judge him as we find him. However, to speak ill of ALL transexuals for no reason other than merely belonging to that group ... well, we all know what that is.


So, it's all right to speak ill of Michael Jackson because of his excessive plastic surgery? Does that mean that it's all right to speak ill of an individual because of their transsexuality?

The last point is spot on! Why NOT compare these things? That's exactly what you SHOULD do. And while we're at it, what about getting a haircut? Wearing makeup? Shaving? Putting on aftershave? Whitening one's teeth? Wearing jewellery? The list is practically endless. As I asked you before, where do you draw the line? But more importantly, WHY?


So, we're in agreement. No group of people who do any of those things should be spoken ill of, because they are not a choice.

Where on earth does this come from? I don't hate anybody. I just think you have an obvious problem with transexuals, whether you care to acknowledge it or not. If you actually tried talking to a few, you might just find yourself surprised.


I never said you hated anybody. As for my problem with transsexuals, I only have a problem with them as individuals, just like people have a problem with Michael Jackson and others who have excessive plastic surgery, but only as individuals, which makes it all right.
Now if that wasn't your point, and your point is that transsexuals shouldn't be spoken ill of because of their transsexuality, then I agree, and I think that should apply to every example you listed and any cosmetic surgery people have had, because they too are not choices. In other words, speaking ill of Michael Jackson because of his cosmetic surgery is no better than speaking ill of somebody because of their transsexuality, and it should be respected just as much.
on Feb 22, 2005
'I never said you hated anybody.'
Perhaps you didn't. Here is what you said (once again): 'And you seem to justify hate speech against people just because they're not hated as much as others.' Whatever that means.

I notice that this last big rant of yours rips into almost everything EXCEPT except my suggestion that you actually try TALKING to a few transexuals before you dismiss them all out of hand. Anyway, there is nothing whatsoever in there to suggest that my initial assessment was anything but spot on, so I'm leaving off now to let you wallow in your prejudice.
on Jul 24, 2007
Hey, if you have any 'horror' stories about plastic surgery, I'm trying to get a collection of them!

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