Again though, as people have stated, both Bush and Kerry supporters, moral values wasn't simply about Christian values though, but many others. Besides, there was a "Religious Faith" option in the exit polls, so if religion was the main issue for them, then they could have chose that.

Gold Star for Sarah.

By making ridiculous charges like treason, dr, you have wandered far afield of the point.

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Did you serve in a war drmiller?  Were you alive during Vietnam even?  John Kerry is not the only veteran to have spoken against the war, and there are documented cases where US troops did do things that he spoke about.  For that matter, the idea of Vietnam has undergone a strange transformation in the past 30+ years.  People now speak about how we could have "won" Vietnam if we hadn't had those darned hippies, or if we'd escalated the conflict, or whatever.  But these people have forgotten, or never known, that there were all kinds of outside factors that caused the United States to lose the Vietnam war.  Fortunately for those people I'm a history professor who likes to show off, so here's a few of the reasons: The Soviets were rattling sabers in other portions of the world; the guerilla warfare, though not terribly strategically effective, was incredibly effective as far as morale goes; more people were upset by the people we installed in power in South Vietnam than really believed in communism; United States forces had never been trained to operate effectively in the environment in which they operated; China was becoming a military power that didn't appreciate the United States mucking about in their portion of the world; the US completely failed in their effort to win over the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese people when they leveled large portions of the jungle without regard as to whether there were combatants or not, that's just a few, but there are many interesting books on the subject.  Oh, and even assuming that John Kerry did not do the thing which got him his medals, he would hardly be the only Vietnam vet, or veteran of any war, who had fabricated a story to get a purple heart, or even higher awards.  If Kerry executed a brilliant and bizarre conspiracy to cover up what had really happened during Vietnam, and the story was only coming out now, decades later, than wouldn't Kerry have been clever enough to completely dominate the election?  Through fraud, misdirection, or whatever?  Repeating baseless, and I do declare them baseless, as, by the way, did the US Defense Department, accusations, does not make them true.

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without wishing to further digress from the topic at hand--and with all due respect to jeblackstar's scholarship--there is one additional, extremely critical factor that needs to be addressed if the issue is treason:  the 68 nixon campaign's illegal interference with and sabotage of the paris peace talks by promising--thru back channels--better terms should nixon win the election. 

I'm sorry, but though that would be treason, if true, I'm not sure how that relates at all to Senator Kerry.  It seems to me as if President Nixon committed treason, not the junior senator from Massachusetts.

Yes, I was alive during Vietnam, I had an uncle and six cousins fight in Vietnam and I had my draft card.  I also admit, I was thinking of how I would be able to flee to Canada should my number come up, but I didn't have to because the war ended less than a year after I turned 18.

Anyway, please tell me how Kerry is connected to Nixon's supposed actions, something I've only heard about from you by the way, and I've been studying/teaching history for along time.

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he's claiming kerry violated the logan act by travelling to paris and meeting with members of the north vietnamese delegation (actually with both sides) altho there is absolutely no evidence of his involvement or interference with the negotiations.  considering the fact that the nixon administration never even attempted to prosecute him, it's highly unlikely there was any basis for an indictment.

im the one who brought up the 68 nixon campaign sabotaging the negotiations--for which there is substantial evidence.

ive no doubt you could.  so how do you explain why nixon (who clearly disliked kerry and can be heard saying so on tape in the oval office; in fact, disliked him enough to condemn him to a lifetime of being stalked by a psychopath loser stalker like john o'neil) and j edgar hoover (whom we know to have assigned a team of fbi agents to keep kerry under surveilance) never even tried to obtain an indictment for charges that are so well evidenced you could keep quoting them all night? 

lemme guess...cuz its all bullshit speculation and nothing was done in secret that could be considered negotiating with a foreign power?  or the kerry family bought em off? 

in the meantime, while youve been fulminating for the past 30 years about something that woulda been thrown outta any court in the land including the kangeroo court presided over by the honorable judge hoffman, richard m nixon was elected president in part because his campaign DID interfere with the paris negotiations causing the war to drag on for another 5 fuckin years and resulting in the deaths of 20,000 more american military personnel who might otherwise still be alive today.

gimme a break