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Published on June 5, 2006 By messybuu In Macintosh

Sandisk captures the mindset of many people well in their iDon't campaign well. People hate Apple so much they'll choose inferior products, pathetic plagiarisms of Apple's superior designs, just to feel cool. After all, by using Windows and products made exclusively for Windows, they can say, "I'm free! I'm not forced to use a certain software (except Windows) or hardware (except Intel or AMD)! I have complete control (except for the DRMs)." If their criticisms of Apple weren't so stupid, it wouldn't be so pathetic. If they refused to use Apple because Steve Jobs was a Nazi who planned to destroy all the Jews, then I would applaud them for their consumer ethics! Hell, I would even buy a Sansa (which is made by revolutionaries according to iDon't) instead of a nano (which is made by a faceless corporation only looking to make a buck). But their grievances against Apple aren't irrational. They simply don't like Apple because it's "square" to like Apple these days.

To show I'm no blind Mac bigot though, I'll concede a few truths. Apple isn't perfect. It is no better ethically than any other corporation. My MacBook Pro has heat issues. Bill Gates, who is quite charitable, is a better man than Steve Jobs, who is said to be a jerk. Windows XP is a great OS.* Apple's interests lie in Apple and not in me. After all, they are a businesses, and businesses exist for one thing: profit.

These days though, people think that Apple should forget about profit and focus on marketshare. They have become so obsessed with Microsoft's insane marketshare that they think that businesses exist only for it. "That is why Apple should release OS X for all PCs and not just for Macs," they say with their eyes closed. "Sure, Apple will lose a chunk of profit since copies of OS X have much thinner margins than Macs and Macbooks, but profit is irrelevant to a business! I learned this in Harvard!" Sure, marketshare is always good, but despite what they learned from Harvard, businesses are more interested in profit than in marketshare. If they weren't, then why would any business, such as not changed. Profit is still more important to them than marketshare. Otherwise, why would any business, such as Rolls-Royce, bother making luxury vehicles when they could gain a bigger marketshare with crappy commodity cars that have no profit margin whatsoever?

That's brings me to a complaint I often hear against Apple: Macs are too expensive. "Why pay $1,000 for a Mac when I could buy an eMachine for $500?" And yet, I could find a Pentium 2 on Craigslist for $100! Of course, the Pentium 2 with a whopping 64 MB of RAM (and a regular CD-ROM!) won't compare to the latest eMachine in Best Buy, but the eMachine doesn't compare to the iMac either. Compare the iMac to a PC that's actually built with the same features, and the price gap diminishes. Sometimes, the Mac's even cheaper! Sure, Apple is still more expensive than commodity hardware, and so people who don't want to spend more than $500 on a computer should go for the commodity PC, but most of the people who complain of the price of Macs are the ones who turn their nose up to such PCs, so for them to use price as an excuse for not buying a Mac is simply bull.

After complaints about price come complaints about "vendor lock-in." Essentially, these people do not like to feel dependent on one company. At least when that company's Apple. Now, I'll concede that the criticism is valid to those that only use multi-platform software, but many of these complainers use Windows, and some of the software and hardware today is made exclusively for Windows. How is being locked in to using one vendor (i.e. Microsoft) to run essential applications, services, and hardware because they're only compatible with Windows not vendor lock-in? "Because, every Windows user in the world uses Windows because they prefer it. Nobody feels as though they're forced to use it. And I can run Office 2007 on Solaris!" Right.

People use the same argument against iPod. They say, "I do not like the fact that I am forced to use iTunes, which is available on both Windows and OS X. I'd rather be forced to use Windows Media Player 10, which is only available on Windows! That's choice! I don't like how restrictive the monolithic iTunes Music Store is. I prefer choice, even if that choice merely consists of several crappy online stores that sell the same songs at the same price with the same DRM restrictions that are even more restricting than the iTMS DRM! I also prefer to spend hundreds of dollars renting my music for months so that I'll end up with nothing after I end my subscription. iTunes doesn't offer me that!" Do I even need to explain why their argument is stupid? I wonder why these people don't use Linux. Linux distros used to bundle hundreds of crappy audio players because, as I'm sure a Linux advocate would say, "It's better to have hundreds of crappy audio players than have one that actually works." Choice is always nice, but quality is even better, and the iPod+iTunes combination offers far better quality in its integration than the Sansa Crapper 9000 and a soon-to-be-bankrupt music store that only works on Windows does. "But what about stores like eMusic, huh?" Well, they work with iPods too. ?

And what is the recent obsession with built-in FM tuners? As a Sansa Crapper 9000 user would say, "This uglier, bulkier, more frustrating ripoff of an iPod nano is truly the consumer's choice. After all, iPods don't even have built-in FM tuners, and we know that everybody wants them! EVERYBODY!" If they did, then they'd buy a SC9000. Or they could just buy an FM tuner for the iPod. However, most iPod users I know haven't purchased one. Despite what some say, FM tuners aren't in such high demand these days. "But Apple should just include one anyway!" That's all right. Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but I prefer my products not to be bloated with crap I'll never use.

Sure, Macs aren't for everybody. Macs won't satisfy gamers, users who love to fiddle with their machines and build their own computers, and people who are at bliss with Windows. And I know the last group exists, because Windows XP is a wonderful OS. Far better than Linux, who would be the forty-year-old virgin who craps on himself and thinks that groping women is gentlemanly if he were on the "Get a Mac" commercials. Seriously, a porn addiction is more productive and less shameful than "using" Linux (and I say this having been guilty of both). Anyway, I digress. There's definitely a market in which PCs and generic MP3 players are better. However, for those who don't like to toy around with computers and prefer things to just work well together, Apple is truly king and queen.

* As opposed to Vista AKA Translucency and Shadows Gone Wild, which is a pathetic imitation of OS X that tries too hard and demands too much, while Tiger could be run in almost all its glory (i.e. no annoying ripple effect on Dashboard) on a G3!


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on Jun 08, 2006
Exactly, it's possible, and who would it hurt? The purists and fanboys could continue using their beloved Apple/Mac hardware, and other consumers have the option to run it on generic hardware, with a choice to upgrade to a 'closed sytem' should they desire to complete the Mac experience....nobody loses. It'd be a win, win situation for evertone, Mr Jobs....


Well it would dilute the brand... I'm sure there's a marketing exec out there who could explain better than me, but by directly setting itself in opposition to Windows Apple would no longer be able to position itself as a prestige label. It would instantly lose its high status-cred if any old machine could run it. If you look at the kinds of professions it's associated with, whether on tv or in real life the mac is the platform of choice for anyone who wants to look sophisticated.

By letting just anyone use its products the brand would lose exclusivity and appear less desirable.
on Jun 08, 2006
Concur with Boxxi & Sir starkers completely!!! If Microsoft can come out with how many - Six different versions of Vista(on two platforms - 32bit & 64bit) WHY can't they(APPLE)work on an OSX PC version exclusively! Can't you see it....you walk into COMPUSA & see a metal rack stand with OSX/PC's....OSX/Mac next to each other!! There's no reason not to!!
on Jun 08, 2006
Well it would dilute the brand..


No, I disagree, not when Apple packages their own hard/software and sells it as they always have...the Apple/Mac system remains as pure as it always has been. To sell the OS seperately for installation on generic hardware/PC's would not in any way diminish the polished. prestigeous appearance of the 'closed' Mac sytem. What it does achieve, however, is the wider opportunity for consumers to enjoy the Mac OS experience, albeit on a non-Mac based machine....but there's nothing to say those consumers wouldn't eventually want to incorporate it into a complete Mac system at some stage. And so what if they don't...Apple's profits are increased through greater sales, the purist's can still walk into Mac stockists and marvel at the prestige of exclusively built 'closed' Mac machines....without having to look at hybrids, or as their fanboys would say..."mutants"

However, as George Rogers suggests, why can't Apple use its high manufacturing standards to create an equally 'exquisite' PC based OS-X machine? Eventually it would have its own following of purists and fanboys, just as the current Mac formats currently enjoy. Diluting the brand? Far from it! The complete opposite would be true - sure, each version would have its own following - but Apple's inventory of quality computers grows, as does its consumer base, market share and profit margins.
There is no valid reason on God's Earth why this is not achievable...okay, there'd be a minority with their anally retentive attitudes condemning it, but the concept would be embraced by the larger community and it would thrive....

Oh, I forgot (re: no valid reason), Steve Jobs and his cronies are among those who are anally retentive, though still not a VALID reason (hope you're listening), but why? Is is because they're afraid of greater success, intimidated by having a greater market share...scared demand will exceed supply? 'Cause if they've got the balls and vision, they can grow with it and give MS a better run for its money with....

Can't you see it....you walk into COMPUSA & see a metal rack stand with OSX/PC's....OSX/Mac next to each other!!


And they'd all be high quality Apple/Mac machines, something for fanboys of both formats to drool over.

Sh!t, it just dawned on me (diatribe)!! Just when I say I'll never become a Mac fanboy, I realise that I have...and I haven't even got one....YET!!.
on Jun 08, 2006
I think Stardock should make a version of Galactic Civilizations for OS X. Sure, it'd cost them more money than it'd make them, but 1) they'd gain a bigger marketshare and 2) they'd gain respect. But will it be profitable for them?

As for Mac clones, Apple's done that before. It didn't work that well. Apple is doing pretty well now with their hardware anyway. If you compare them to the entire PC industry (acting as though all PC makers are one company), then they're doing terribly, but if you compare them to the actual companies, are they doing that badly? And if they were to release OS X for all PCs, I seriously doubt that it would lead people to buy more Macs. People always complain that Macs are too expensive and that the design of it all is irrelevant. Why would anybody willingly choose an "inferior pricier" computer for one that's "cheaper and better quality" if they truly are?

"Probably shows just how 'good' the Windows system really is....since it 'must' cater for all that odd hardware config, etc."

Well, Linux does cater to many more platforms than Windows, but I still think Windows is much better.

"Concur with Boxxi & Sir starkers completely!!! If Microsoft can come out with how many - Six different versions of Vista(on two platforms - 32bit & 64bit) WHY can't they(APPLE)work on an OSX PC version exclusively! Can't you see it....you walk into COMPUSA & see a metal rack stand with OSX/PC's....OSX/Mac next to each other!! There's no reason not to!!"

Why won't Stardock release Galactic Civilizations for OS X? Or why doesn't whatever company who makes Half Life 2 release it for OS X? Blizzard releases their games for both Windows and OS X. Sure, it wouldn't be profitable for them, but it'd make me happy. Personally, it saddens me when companies such as Google don't focus more on the Mac and develop more of its software for it (i.e. Picasa, which I want to try (and not some crappy emulated version)), but I know that they'll always place Mac users behind Windows users because the Windows market is more profitable for them.
on Jun 08, 2006

I think Stardock should make a version of Galactic Civilizations for OS X. Sure, it'd cost them more money than it'd make them, but 1) they'd gain a bigger marketshare and 2) they'd gain respect. But will it be profitable for them?

Stardock DOES have 'respect'...and especially from the direction that 'really matters', too....Microsoft, hence the 'Platinum Partner' accreditation.

Since the days of OS2, Stardock has been firmly entrenched within the Windows/Microsoft world.  Catering to a [comparitive] minority ...and perhaps for a commercial 'loss'?....hardly enticing...

on Jun 09, 2006
As for Mac clones, Apple's done that before. It didn't work that well.


Maybe so in the past, but essentially, isn't the Intel Mac a clone of the original Mac hardware concept/design? Obviously Steve Jobs and his team saw a market for it, and according to various market sources it has been well received in many quarters, is selling well. In reality, then, the Intel Mac has become more PC-like, and when Jobs saw there was a demand for dual booting OS-X with XP (via the hacks being used to enable it) he/Apple came up with BootCamp to make it more official/acceptable, in that Apple itself was authorising/enabling it.

Okay, so some purists don't like the idea (they'll get over it), and perhaps there are some within Apple who oppose the idea, but the transition to a PC based OS-X has already begun, if only in a small way initially and (perhaps) inadvertantly. As more and more people embrace the concept of the Intel Mac, dual booting XP on it, the more a market/demand for a Mac PC grows/gathers momentum....and Steve Jobs/Apple will ignore consumers at their own peril. If they don't create and sanction it, someone (hackers/opportunists) eventually will. In fact, hacks to install OS-X on a dual boot PC already exist...so it would seem it's only a matter of time before it becomes more mainstream/public. The unanswered question (to date) is whether or not Apple will seize the initiative...or have it taken from them. Wake up and smell the roses, Mr Jobs. put your snobbery, pride and exclusivity aside for a bit and grab the bull by the horns, so to speak. You don't see Bill Gates, with all his wealth, power and influence employing sobbery and exclusivity with Windows OSes, anyone can use them. Heaven forbid, he even allows Mac zealots to use Windows...imagine that.

And if they were to release OS X for all PCs, I seriously doubt that it would lead people to buy more Macs. People always complain that Macs are too expensive and that the design of it all is irrelevant. Why would anybody willingly choose an "inferior pricier" computer for one that's "cheaper and better quality" if they truly are?


Maybe not all PC users of a stand-alone OS-X would or could end up purchasing the Mac hardware to run it on, but there are those who refuse to buy generic/economy brands in supermarkets, etc (they only want the best?), and these people would be the ones who'd go the whole hog after deciding OS-X suits their needs/wants/desires. So if Apple follows the basic rules of supply and demand, market economy strategies, then the price of Mac harware could come down to enable those less affluent to purchase it also...remove the zealot, elitist and snob aspects and it's all possible.

The question begging to be asked is: why does a PC Mac with OS-X installed have to be any less attractive than those in the G series or an Intel Mac? Answer: they don't have to be...in using Apple's high manufacturing standards, there's no reason why a PC Mac wouldn't be as sleek. stylish and stable as any other in Apples 'stable'. Sure, there'd be the zealots and purists who's never be seen dead with a Mac PC on their desktop/lap, but there's a huge wealth of PC users out there who don't like Windows all that much - who hate MS and Bill Gates with a passion - who'd jump at the chance of owning a Mac PC with OS-X on it. So how's them roses smelling now, Mr Jobs, a little better now someone has cleared some of the manure from under your nose?

Personally, it saddens me when companies such as Google don't focus more on the Mac and develop more of its software for it


Yep, you and how many others, and don't you think that if Apple were to make its OS more widely used/available, such as 'stand-alone' or on less expensive PC platforms, that more software developers would be inclined to cater for it more often than not?

Okay, so maybe the initial editions don't turn a profit (?), but it takes money to make money (Apples not short of a quid) and with word of mouth from satisfied customers, other ways of getting the 'heads up' out there, subsequent versions/editions would eventually turn a profit, thus becoming more affordable and increasing Apple's market share, etc. It'd be a win, win situation for Apple and consumers alike

Oh, and Bill, if you're reading this, it's not that I don't like MS or Windows, I'd just like to see a world of computing options open up the benifit end users, okay.
on Jun 09, 2006
starkers: You mention that hackers are going to make it possible to run OSX on pcs anyway, so why on earth would Apple bother to make it compatible themselves? If they let hackers do it the hackers are still going to have to buy the OS software and Apple isn't stuck with support and escalating costs/inefficiencies. Win-win situation.

Heaven forbid, he even allows Mac zealots to use Windows...imagine that


Actually Vista now won't support the bios that Apple uses and XP supports despite initial promises from Gates. I wonder why he changed his mind...

but it takes money to make money (Apples not short of a quid) and with word of mouth from satisfied customers, other ways of getting the 'heads up' out there, subsequent versions/editions would eventually turn a profit, thus becoming more affordable and increasing Apple's market share, etc.


Why bother making a loss now? Apple has already cornered the portable music player market, and could easily move into the home theatre market if it chose. Why should it take on XP on XPs home turf when it's unlikely any major corporations would buy OSX on a PC platform if they don't already buy it on Apple's? Realistically speaking the money's in the corporate world, not with enthusiasts.
on Jun 09, 2006
Makes COMMONSENSE Ss, but don't let that get in the way of an OSX/PC platform....they'll always find some "tortured logic" rational NOT TO!!! I honestly feel SJ operates in a vacuum when it comes to comsumerism - most unfortunate!!
on Jun 09, 2006
starkers: You mention that hackers are going to make it possible to run OSX on pcs anyway, so why on earth would Apple bother to make it compatible themselves?


That obviously wasn't Apple's thinking when the idea for BootCamp came up to counteract the dual boot hacks, was it! Apple saw an opportunity then, not so much in the 'free' BootCamp itself, but in the associated exposure, sales, etc....and
Apple will again feel the need to makes its presence known, rather than allow a bunch of hackers steal its thunder by modifying OS-X to cater to a growing market interest. If Steve Jobs doesn't want to lose control of his products, he needs to extract his head from his anus long enough to see others will take advantage of his opportunities if he doesn't take more positive steps to appease consumers than he has in the past.

Why should it take on XP on XPs home turf


Because there's a multitude of disenchanted XP/Windows users who'd happily migrate to OS-X if they could afford to...if it were freely available as a bootable on PC OS that doesn't entail having to purchase expensive Mac hardware. And obviously, software developers would follow the migration to increase their profits/market share.

Realistically speaking the money's in the corporate world, not with enthusiasts.


True, but a lot of enthusiasts wear corporate suits as well...appeasing them would help Apple move further ahead in both worlds: in the corporate world with more partners, clients and associates; in the home computing world through the enhanced opportunities created by its corporate associations/dealings....more importantly, through vision, better business practises, listening to the market, simple economics.
on Jun 09, 2006
OS X is insanely stable. Why? Because there is a very small and controlled list of possible hardware pieces working under it. Start expanding it out to the sheer mass of potential configurations that Windows covers and suddenly you're dealing with a QA and support nightmare. Apple is not a software company, they're a hardware company and would gain relatively little from opening up OSX to run on any and all PC hardware. They make their money on devices and on boxes with huge premiums on them. A large part of the mystique that builds up the Cult of Mac is the look of the hardware. Sure the OS is slick and wonderful and all, but that's not what Apple is going for. They want to cultivate that elite look, that sense that if you run Mac software, you've got something special sitting in front of you.

OSX is a sales tool to drive the purchase of computers and ipods. Make it available for cheaper hardware and Apple loses what little share of the PC world they had. They've always positioned themselves as a hardware company first, and that's why MS outpaced them so fast. I think Apple has given up on the idea of being a true rival to Microsoft and they've instead decided to embrace the niche markets they excel in. No one can touch them on mp3 players since the introduction of the iPod. iTunes is blowing away every other online music store. In terms of artists, the Mac has remained the favorite. They picked their targets and have done very very well for themselves. Why should they overextend themselves into a market they can't reasonably compete in?
on Jun 09, 2006
I wouldn't like it if osx was availible for pc because it ruins the 'exclusiveness' (if that is a word) of it, and it will sort of be like winblows because it will run on just about every thing and not just macs. I hope you get what i mean.
on Jun 09, 2006
wouldn't like it if osx was availible for pc because it ruins the 'exclusiveness' (if that is a word) of it, and it will sort of be like winblows because it will run on just about every thing and not just macs. I hope you get what i mean.


Which means you are a zealot. NOthing wrong with that, as long as you are not trying to convert. Revel in it. Be it. Just do not try to dupe the innocent in it.
on Jun 09, 2006
Which means you are a zealot. NOthing wrong with that, as long as you are not trying to convert. Revel in it. Be it. Just do not try to dupe the innocent in it.


There will always be those who think the 'Holy Grail' of computing should remain pure, undiluted and wholly exclusive - and that's fine if they're wealthy; have a rich uncle; got it for Chrissy/birthday...it fell off the back of a truck - but that doesn't make their point of view any more valid....them right.

Fact is, more people want it than don't...and Apple could manufacture its own PC hardware with customer/tech support, and a standalone OS-X for alternate PC's without customer/tech support. Saves Apple the 'presumed' support nightmare ....and the zealots/purists can still sit in front of their 'Holy Grail' Mac machines and not have to look at a hybrid/mongrel/mutant, etc and etc.

Oh!!!! I get it now...Mac zealots and purists would be pissed that I have a hybrid sitting at MY place, and yeah, they'd get all hot under the collar, flustered and lose sleep over the fact that I exercised my freedom of choice to own and operate OS-X more economically than they did/do. Well there's always Prozac, Valium and sleeping tablets....take some and get over it, cos when I get my iMac early next year, I'm going to dual boot XP on it...and OS-X on my PC
on Jun 09, 2006
If Apple released OSX for all hardware, as Windows is, OSX would encounter the same problems, and Apple wouldn't have any 'advantage' over Windows. OSX would be a an equivalent to Windows, for better or worse.

For the obsessive Apple fan, it would be bad, but for the rest of us, it would bring some real competition for Microsoft. This would bring lower prices for Apple and Microsoft prices, and better quality products.

I don't think either company wants this. Microsoft enjoys it's high market share, and Apple enjoys it's high markups. Win-win for them, lose-lose for us.
on Jun 10, 2006

Oh!!!! I get it now...Mac zealots and purists would be pissed that I have a hybrid sitting at MY place, and yeah, they'd get all hot under the collar, flustered and lose sleep over the fact that I exercised my freedom of choice to own and operate OS-X more economically than they did/do. Well there's always Prozac, Valium and sleeping tablets....take some and get over it, cos when I get my iMac early next year, I'm going to dual boot XP on it...and OS-X on my PC

Some would, yes, I have seen them!  But most would just think you are their eccentric uncle.

me?  I got with what I need and then with what I like.  So yes, I still do both.

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